Such a good post Lina. The collaboration of many witnesses should help the leadership at Harvest (or any church) know the depth of a problem. (Galatians 2:11-21) I have a Patreon! All of it. If you read the history and understand the public record of offenses at Harvest (with many more than the requisite two or three witnesses), you will understand why this is not only completely justified, but actually necessary to the restoration of healing and good order to Christs Body. I wasnt happy with that but it had to be done! You are loved. In the arbitration, MacDonald retained the rights to Walk in the Word, a part of the church that had put on his teaching ministry and popular radio broadcast. Read the commandment in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 on the correction of Elders who sin, so that other Elders will be afraid to continue sinning against the flock. Even more, the trauma of having those who had taught me so much about Jesus and showed me the way to Jesus healing suddenly take the side of the person who caused me to fear for my life- its taken a long time to move forward. How important it is to pray pray pray and check on our leaders also of their growth in Christ and what our church mission is and to stay biblical, not political but biblical. Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.. The Lord knows and he keeps the books. Speaking the truth and not cowering in the corner. Welcome to the Video Broadcast ministry of Cornerstone Bible Church. Subscribe to CT I have since moved on and seen God do some pretty amazing God-sized miracles in my life and ministry (evidently, God does work outside of the walls of Harvest Bible Chapel!). REALLY !! Sheri and her husband Gary attended Cornerstone in the 1980s while attending Azusa Pacific and in their first few years of marriage. People meant evil but God works it out for our good. He grew the church from 18 members to more. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. I really doubt theyre sending texts and emails asking for money. Pastor was not happy and tried to convince us that we were wrong. Sheri coordinates data collection and assists with day-to-day office administration for the church staff. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. Your realness. Though MacDonald initially opted to step away from all preaching and leadership roles at the churchs Chicago-area locations, in his January 16 sabbatical announcement he suggested he might still preach at a Harvest congregation in Naples, Florida, which led to another saga. Nellie, Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. Please anchor in on John 7:24. Im replying after reading just your first few paragraphs. It would be endearing to me and honoring to them. The Right's New Lie: The Left Gave Us Toxic Masculinity, The Harvest Bible Chapel Scandal in a Nutshell (And Why You Should Care). God wins the war. Mike was genuinely shocked when we told him our son had Paxton as a camp counselor for whole week at Camp Harvest and we never received notice as HBC falsely told Daily Herald. Such lack of accountability is often a problem at megachurches, which tend to be founded by charismatic individuals who quickly amass a large following. Its where I was led to Christ. Amen Sister! School of the Bible at 9:00am Wednesdaysat 7:00pm Give Online Contact Us 10088 N. Highway 99 Stockton, CA 95212 office@hbcstockton.org (209) 931-9548 Copyright 2023, Harvest Bible Church. May the love of Jesus Christ and his peace flood over you this day! The flock are the casualties in all of this. For me, I would like to apologize for not reaching out to you when I finally realized that you had left HBC. 4. Instead, it was MacDonald and his inner circle that were making the decisions, unilaterally. for what its worth, the timing of the writing is His perfect timing. Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. Churches Still Depend on Clergy Housing Allowance, No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival. But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. Mind you, I didnt simply walk out. Do not judge the timing, Gods timing is Always Perfect. Many were intimidated, called names, called subversives. Addressing this following statement from you, By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman ruled by fear. Opt out of televised preaching? I was so dissappointed to hear that she left. Hannibal Harvest Bible Church (EIN# 862793399) is an tax exempt organization filed with Internal Revenue Service (IRS). James said it many times himself, chose to sin, Ezekiel 22:27: Her princes [leaders] within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. God is good and He will use those who make themselves available to Him. 33Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. Thank you for taking the time to nurture the HBC flock that Pastor James never cared about! I love Dr. Dobsons admonition that while it is tempting to want to get out of a painful situation, often the only way out is through. God bless you. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. Id like to think its the fear of man spoken about in the Bible but I think it often goes beyond that. 7. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. Everything that is painful for everyone and anyone has been talked about endlessly for weeks. I have had similar experiences at The Chapel . I wont make that mistake again. Your mission and your ministry is beautiful and changing lives. Ill let the others fight that fight today. An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! When this happens, there is tremendous spiritual and emotional wounding. Lina, I was wrong. Soon we must bring those truths to light, but for now we continue under the weight of so much falsehood in hope that the church will themselves initiate the needed steps of public confession, he wrote. Sadly, this cancer has spread to other churches that were once part of the fellowship. Yet their silence hurt me and sometimes made me question the validity of my reasons for leaving. Church is a small community. I have multiple thoughts. (It wouldve done no good to tell them how they erred when previous months didnt get it done.) Its hard no impossible- to do everything with the right motivation. Why do you say you have a lack of music?. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. , The elders of Harvest stand behind [Pastor MacDonalds] character and integrity without reservation. In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. 35The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. blessings. But wait who is that lurking around the edges, his deeds the center of everyones interest in our church right now, salivating and gleeful that divisiveness and sin is healthy within the body of Christ? Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? In fact, even though there is no patents or rights given to the Bible every man-made church that has plagiarized, promoted or used the Bible without the expressed consent of Jesus Himself or the authority of His church begin their ministries as thieves. Ive always appreciated your candor and honesty, and I think the Lord has gifted you with a strong sense of discernment. You do not know if she fasted or not, nor do you know if the Lord Himself brought her to this revelation. Looking back over my life I see how all things have led to today. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Because TRANSPARENCY is neededand now ahe may be starting to feel safe. WHY NOW??? It was so hard not to be bitter, and it took a long time to want to be part of another church and not be so cautious. When God led me to leave HBC, I remember being so sad and afraid and wondering if I was hearing Him correctly. These are the same elders that signed off on James filing the law suit against the Ryan Mahoney and his wife, Scott Bryant and his wife, and Julie Roys! The bloggers began posting again, however, in 2017, around the same time that Harvest Bible Fellowship was dissolved in 2017, due in part to concerns by some some member churches about how Harvest was managing the fellowships finances. I do not think the solution is replacing the pastor and associates with a new administration. Does It Matter Where Your Clothes Come From? I hate to be James because God judges leadership harsher than the regular sinner. In a recorded video message, Bill Sperling, an elder, told the congregation that the elders concluded that there is a sinful pattern of inappropriate language, anger and domineering behavior. Look, Im sorry, but thats a bit late. James ended up sending me a copy of the new approved blog post, and out of fear, I complied. Thank you for coming forward! Love my bible sisters. This post drips of mercy. I saw the horrible video of the three Elders that were fired, It was autrocious! Its so fitting that you likened the pain at Harvest to the pain of a divorce. I am airing on the side of no. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own. Is it perfect? These are the same elders that approved this same law suit to be dropped when James and co. knew that they would have to open all the books and all the dirt would come out! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); LIVING WITH POWER MINISTRIES: 119 S EMERSON ST. #213 | MOUNT PROSPECT, IL 60056 | 224-634-6777 | [emailprotected]. Harvest Kids is our weekend experience for kids (babies to fifth grade). We are the Church! Hi Lina. That is why I really rally for our black preacher and pastors like Keion Henderson, https://www.keionhenderson.com/about-us/ ! On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. 8. We believe that disciples of Jesus profess that He is Lord, practice His Ways, and persevere in both their profession and practice. I am sure that was very hard for her to share . The fruit of people at Harvest coming to Christ belongs to the Holy Spirit, not to JM. I am saddened by it. Nellie, Im sorry for your comment. Many are in or have been in denial. Although, it definetly planted a seed for me. The ungodly jockying for power and control is still an issue in all our churches. Pastor James made it political when he compared the era of President Trump to the era of Stalin the era of Hitler. The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. The church has responded by hiring Lawrence Swicegood, the executive director of communications at Gateway Church, who was also hired by Harvest Bible Chapel when facing its scandal involving James MacDonald. Her first year at college and her first visit to Harvest RM. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. I knew he wasnt perfect, but then, neither was I, I reasoned. 2. In effect, the senior pastor isthe church. hi liz, not really looking for a vote here. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. If hearing voices together of those who have truth helps, then now is the time to speak. That is why we keep talking. Wow Nancy K, after all that has been said and done, seemingly over many years, it is startling to me that you would make such a commemtWow, Why? Thank you for your vulnerability. I havent seen the video but abuse of power at any level is sickening!! Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. Praying for this church also that Gods Holy Spirit is cleaning/healing/humbling/teaching his people. Do you realize the elders are already choosing to step down? In keeping with our past private statements to Harvests leadership and to our pastorsThe primary issue is not reconciliation or peacemaking, it is repentance, GCC elders said in a January 17 statement. I can see you have regret for not having the courage to do it then but youre working to make up for it by speaking now. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. The fallout has only just begun. In fact, he is the one who is no longer pastoring. However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. I appreciate the Biblical distinction you made Sheila, in relation to the Bible calling us to be good ; which doesnt always mean being kind and nice. Also another story emerged on why another person left Harvest Bible Chapel. "Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful. No One Knows. So I called one of the elders in the video and got his side of the story. When I asked questions at the Harvest I attended I was told to be careful what I read on the internet. Also Thank you Lina for having the courage to say something now. When is God pleased at his church? I also managed to write an apology to James for the pain I had caused him. 1 Timothy 5:20: But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. Linas testimoney is encouraging. I am aware that there has been some very good ministry done through this church. chose to suffer. God loves truth. Truth is healthy. She approached this with sensitivity, wisdom and grace. Thank you. Nellie, Dont damage the church by being publicly critical. She did a awesome job as the judgment of God has come to his house. Again this is HER TRUTH! But the truth needs to be out there. Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. This is a very vulnerable time for a lot of people and I am sure God weeps for every single wounded soul.. Thank you for your thoughts and strong, encouraging words. In our case we have been pulled away from our church as well because of how we have been treated for our daughters actions. . The unrest at Harvest began in the fall of 2013, when two elders were excommunicated and another was indirectly censured, Roys writes. and stay glued to founded and genuine monetary purchase services. who we really love. Sheesh. The question is, how many pastors/leaders are actually GIVING AWAY the ministry and equipping others for it? I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. Thank you for sharing your story and for doing so in the right spirit. All why surrounding himself w/yes men. Im so sorry, and Im sorry for the comments here that are going to be painful for you. There is no timing to sharing pain. So the Harvest Bible Chapel elders fired him, fired him from pastoring his own church, which of course was no longer his church to make decisions for, but theirs, as a wholly owned subsidiary. Im praying for you. Many were kicked out and shown the door. As Pastor James has said in the past, truth and time go hand-in-hand. The pastor took the opportunity to lay into them and basically tell him that he was the one in the wrong. Did they not find that video shocking? He went recently, saying the time had come. We are to find our faith and hope in the Message, not the messenger. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. I am so happy that finally people are standing up and talk about it! All this comes on the heels of another scandal. And these things are only the tip of the iceberg. I loved his book Vertical Church. Please support my writing! Yell and bully and make people feel like second class Christians? So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? Pray for the church and the people! Im not sure it is saying tatoos are a sign of a decline in holiness, but the overall impression is any Christian who gets a tatoo wants to be cool and nothing about Jesus or the Gospel is cool. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . I so agree with your cancer analogy as it relates to Harvest. The more I think about the demise of Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, the more I believe that fear is the cancer at the root of it all specifically the fear of James MacDonald. Persecution is supposed to come from the world with the devil behind it, as Jesus said. The surprise is not Harvest, but that you publicly hung them. You are absolutely right about the fear! In October, the church reported its chief information officer to police for suspected embezzlement. This past Sunday, Harvests elders and remaining pastors were in serious damage control mode. Now its a big business with Harvest all over the states. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. Matthew 7:15 Why would we be any different? 34You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. I never understood why they saw him the way they do. I will not address any party affiliation. Sarah, I am so sorry for whatever happened to you. Harvest used that phrase to manipulate the congregation. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/, I would love to chat and learn more of what you are doing. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. In a statement, the elders apologized to MacDonald and the congregation for the ways they had failed to live at peace with all men, as far is it depends on you (Rom. Why if it wasnt really a real sinful mess would so many in leadership just exit and give up what was a big part of our lives and our kids lives? I grew up in the Church of Christ. Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. @Donna Is it possible that it is God Himself who is exposing these misdeeds? I pray to our Father who loves us all that His truth and reconciliation and peace, healing abounds in this circumstance. I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. Constantly made to feel stupid, the youth had had enough so the mom called a meeting with the pastor. The small church that I and my family left was a textbook case in spiritual abuse. Im not on FB, so I didnt see your post where you extended an invitation to us to meet with you again. By then there were so many small things that werent so small and added up to big things that could have explained my leaving, but to me, that video was the tipping point. Sign up to get our top five trending stories delivered every weekday! As a result, I was asked to meet with the elders, pull the blog piece and write a new one that James would first approve. Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. Although he denied stabbing the photo, MacDonald said, I may have put my knife up against it or into it.. [] While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. I pray for the leaders. No one wins here-except our enemy. What had these individuals done? Nancy You sound like you still attend thereand you seem double minded. I was wrong in hindsight. Hes a lemonade maker. this isnt meant to hurt you but to support those who need it. Lauren Boebert And Marjorie Greene's Adult "So Your Problem with Christianity is the Jesus No, the "Second Shift" Isn't Feminism's Fault. She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. 2023 ChurchLeaders.com, All rights reserved. We are conditioned to believe that leaving silently is whats best for the church and in some cases thats true. I always wondered why you left but after reading The Elephants Debt I figured I knew why. Have you ever read this piece on how sick systems keep people controlled? Show how we come together as one in the body of Christ! Harvest Bible Chapel has reached a multimillion-dollar agreement to transfer some of its assets to former pastor James MacDonald, who plans to continue in ministry outside the Chicago-area megachurch. For this, according to the Daily Herald, Secrest was fired. (Matthew 12:33-37). Harvest Bible Church is a non-denominational, non-charismatic, evangelical Protestant church located in Northwest Houston in the Cypress community. But that does not matter. I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. How about some GRACE !!! How long will we wait to begin the healing process within ourselves and between each other? than submission to leaders This pastor couldnt have been more wrong. Maybe its because youre a doctor and have such a desire to see people healed. Thanks for being so honest. It is not with the powerful; it is those whom the powerful make to feel like theyre nothing. In her expos, titled Hard Times at Harvest, Roys details evidence from former Harvest elders, employees and members that show an ongoing pattern of relational and financial abuse, a lack of transparency and outright deception., Harvest strongly disputes the claims, saying Roys has an unhealthy fixation on the church and failed to uncover the desired scandal.. It isnt about timing. I do have to laugh though. If you have something to recommend I read that would help me in this area, Lina, I would appreciate it. I am sorry that you experienced this fear. He ultimately requested that Harvest Naples be released from its relationship with the megachurch. Church is of the world. My heart breaks for the people that have been hurt by this on both sides. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. 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